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you don't have to agree with celebrating gay pride but you should demand decency of yourself and others. and respect, over all, that this country is based on laws that should guarantee all of us the same rights. that is a path we must all march down together, now more than ever. thank you for watching. "cnn tonight" with d. lemon starts right now. >> you're making too much sense. and listen, i think what -- i feel similarly -- as you know, i'm gay, right? >> what? >> i know, news flash. you didn't know that? >> no, i'm surprised, you don't dress well. >> i thought you were, as much time as you spend in the gym, and putting it on social media. >> obviously watching. >> you don't want to go there. the whole studio is cracking up, by the way. so listen, ask yourself if you -- it only became legal for
me, people like me to be married in june of 2015, not so long ago. people can still lose their job because of their sexual orientation. people still get killed because of it. you know, i don't know if people walk up -- many people, i'm sure it does happen, you're straight and therefore i want to get rid of you, i'm going to kill you, if you look at toxic things said online about people, members of the lgbtq community, if you look at the criticism of me, go on any social media site, any criticism, a lot of it is rooted in homophobia. that's the first thing they talk about and they say. your interactions with people, we have an implicit bias. people expect gay people to be, you know, in some instances -- >> whatever stereo type. >> predators, effeminate, on and on and on. many heterosexual men, you don't think that, our friendship, think that every gay man wants them or in some way is trying to
entice them. >> it's ignorance. >> have you been to -- have you seen gay men in a gay bar, they're all jacked and ripped and -- we don't all want you. >> not all of them. >> well -- >> not all of them. >> quid pro -- >> some people don't have that much to prove, you know what i'm saying? i think it's -- march if you want on your straight pride parade. >> not on this one. >> but no that you're being ignorant. >> straight pride, at best you're being ignorant if you join. >> and bigoted. >> but let's be honest you know what you're doing you're trying to say that you don't like what you see as its opposite. there is no need for straight pride. this is about recognizing minorities, recognizing people that need a come-up, not about saying we're all equal, we can all do it, that's the same thing as saying all lives matter. >> do you really think that -- let's just be honest.
do you really think that straight people are aggrieved and oppressed? i'm always -- i am so shocked by young men -- i was just talking about this with one of my guests coming up, michael d'antonio, young men, 20 something and 30 something-year-old men, many heterosexual men, they're so aggrieved right now and i don't understand what's going on in this culture. >> i think that there is a perception and frankly i think the president did a good job of connecting with this angst, real or not, people can feel things. emotions aren't always based on fact and it's that multiculturalism, the push for diversity, it means naturally and mathematically a reduction in how many white males you have. they take that as a threat instead of seeing it as a boosting of all of the different types of perspectives we can have empowering this society. they see it as them being marginalized and attitudes and what they want us to say and
call each other, that all this political correctness is threatening what they identify with as our culture. >> where does the threatening part -- when we talked about implicit bias and the threatening part. i'm the same way with everyone, i treat straight guys, gay guys, same interactions, hang out, go to the bar, whatever, you're jocular with each other. but when a gay man does it it is perceived as somehow threatening and sexual. >> depends on who the guy is. look, i had to deal with this a lot growing up and i'll tell you it two different ways. one, when i was in college i would see how guys would act differently to guys who were openly gay and i went to yale, okay, and it was meant as a joke but it was also true. one in four, maybe more and that was a way of making fun of the fact that you had a big and robust gay population back in the 80s. even at yale university and i would see how white guys would feel that it was a mark on their
masculinity if they were friendly with gay men or affectionate gay men, but that was out of ignorance. when i was a single man, and i became an eligible bachelor people would ask me, hey, i heard, you know, you've got gay friends, are you gay or straight, i wouldn't answer and it became a little disturbing for people. what do you mean you won't answer? well, if i say i'm not gay, i'm straight, you'll go, he's normal, he's like the rest of us, and i don't want that. if i say i am gay, that's how you're going to define me for the rest of my life so i'm not giving you that and i've seen it and i've seen people like you and frankly anderson, and other people in the media have to struggle with it and deal with it and be judged by it. and we're trying to get better and that's why something like straight pride, you've got to stomp on it. >> we need education on that. again. >> and exposure. >> and exposure, i agree with
you. and i knew that story. we've talked about that story a number of times that you just shared. i appreciate your courage and i appreciate you being so evolved. there are other things that you can get better with. but we'll work on those, and we'll talk about all of this when i see you on sunday at the 92nd street -- >> i love it, i tell people all the time when they say how can you be friends with that guy, i said look, the problem is not that he's gay. he's got so many other flaws in his character it's impossible to be around him. i love you. i'll see you tomorrow. >> one does not have a low self-esteem. >> i attack you because i'm insecure. >> see you sunday, have a good one. we have breaking news to tell you about, after talks with mexico go down to the wire the president announces a last-minute agreement and suspends tariffs he threatened to impose on monday. tariffs that, according to one report, could have cost some 400,000 american jobs and it may be no coincidence that that
agreement comes on the day a weak jobs report raised a red flag on this economy. a lot more to come on that tonight. stay tuned for that. and then there's the news of a lawsuit brought by cnn, as a matter of fact, a federal judge ruling that the fbi will have to reveal more of former fbi director james comey's memos about his meetings with president trump, specifically the names of countries and world leaders mentioned in the conversations between the president and comey. and remember that mystery company that was fighting a subpoena in the mueller investigation for months, well a judge in that case appears to have -- to have let the company off the hook. now, we still don't know its identity or the country that owns it. but there are intriguing hints that it could involve a foreign country's central bank. all of that, all of that as the president is back home, on his home turf tonight, leaving behind the pomp and pageantry of his visit with the queen and his
turn on the world stage at the d-day anniversary in france. but getting back to the donald trump that we have come to expect, escalating his feud with nancy pelosi. it seems as if the president just couldn't resist tweeting a fresh attack on the speaker and doubling down on his latest nickname for her. and there that nickname is, nervous nancy, while complaining that pelosi reportedly told senior democrats behind closed doors that she'd like to see him in prison. he didn't like that. i hate even saying the nickname then we repeat it and it sticks and it does exactly what he wants. the president objecting to that, the speaker reportedly made the comment while he was on the state visit in the uk. well, he's apparently referring there to the tradition that you don't criticize a president while he's on foreign soil. but let's remember the president said this, not only on foreign soil, but just steps away from the graves of the fallen american heroes of d-day.
>> people like nancy pelosi that honestly they don't know what the hell they're talking about. nancy pelosi, i call her nervous nancy, i think she's a disgrace, she's incapable of doing deals, she's a nasty, din victimive horrible person, angry people like nancy pelosi -- they don't know what it takes. she's a terrible person and i'll tell you, her name, it's nervous nancy, she's a nervous wreck. >> this is a president who always seems to be spoiling for a fight, responding to pressure by attacking his perceived enemies. and there's no greater pressure on the president than the debate in congress over starting an impeachment inquiry. ironically pelosi is the one holding the line against impeachment while judiciary chairman jerry nadler's reportedly arguing for opening proceedings against the president. let's take a look at another one of the president's tweets today. i want to go through more here.
for all the money we are spending nasa should not be talking about going to the moon. we did that 50 years ago. they should be focused on much bigger things we are doing, including mars, of which the moon is a part. defense and science. look, i think we know what the president was getting at here, okay, but just in case there's any question in anybody's mind, the moon is not a part of mars. not a part of mars. the moon, as any school child could tell you, orbits our planet, mars has its own moons, two of them, right, neither of those moons is one of -- is the one american astronauts landed on 50 years ago. it's pretty clear that what the president meant is going back to the moon would be part of a mission to mars. but he also says, i'm not quoting here, nasa should not be -- and i'm quoting here, nasa should not be talking about going to the moon, the opposite of what the vice president said back in march. here's a quote. it is the stated policy of this
administration, the united states of america, to return american astronauts to the moon within the next five years. and then he also, he's also has to ignore his own white house stays policy directive which he signed two years ago. here it is. >> it marks an important step in returning american astronauts to the moon for the first time since 1972. >> so you might think that we should just ignore the president's tweets but remember that in the early days of this administration the press secretary sean spicer told us the president's tweets are official statements. so should we take them seriously? our breaking news tonight is the president says tariffs on mexico are indefinitely suspended after reaching a last-minute deal tonight. so is the president bluffing all along or is this the art of the deal? that's the question for former congressman charlie dent, susan glasser here as well, michael d'antonio, they're all next.
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breaking news tonight, president trump announcing his threatened tariffs on goods in mexico are suspended after reaching an agreement with mexico to stem the flow of migrants at the border. senator chuck schumer is tweeting this is an historic night, donald trump has announced he has cut a deal to greatly reduce or eliminate illegal immigration coming from mexico into the united states. now that that problem is solved i'm sure we won't be hearing
about any more -- i'm sure we won't be hearing any more about it in the future. i want to talk about this now with charlie dent, susan glasser and michael d'antonio, the author of "the truth about trump," good evening to all of you, i'm sure you recognize there, charlie dent, the sarcasm in the senator's tweet because we will be hearing about it. he didn't solve the problem. correct? >> oh, yeah, we'll be hearing about this ad nauseam. i thought this latest exercise with mexico was just one where the president -- he's talking about second front in the trade war. i never thought he was going to go through with this. polling came from in texas showing he's losing to joe biden there and probably no state has more to lose than a trade war with mexico than texas given the level of integration between the economy. corn growers, cattle growers were very much alarmed by this.
i don't really -- i don't know what the deal is right now. nobody really knows what the deal is but i thought this was a little bit more bluster than anything else. he just wanted to be able to stand up there and say he got something from the mexicans. >> and which is what we have been saying here, remember we said it's going to be some minuscule or minor thing that happens and he'll take credit for it. mexico will deploy their national guard throughout mexico with priority long the southern border, migrants with asylum claims will have to return to mexico to await adjudication there and both countries will work to address the underlying issues in el salvador, guatemala and honduras. susan, what's your read on this? >> my read on this is that trump was going to claim victory no matter what because it was essentially -- we're all sort of props in this fake game of let's stick up the neighbors and demand things. it's not at all clear what kind
of results this would produce. you know, we haven't seen the full details of it and to me it's such a predictable play here because we've seen president trump run it so many times before. you know, at the beginning of the week, how many people in washington thought this is exactly where we would be on friday night? >> i think everybody did. >> this is his go to place. >> let's do a fact check and i'll let you finish your statement there. i've got to tell you, i mentioned this earlier, mexico has been doing -- they have been ramping up their efforts to stop the flow. a statement released, this is on monday, okay susan, mexico says they deported over 80,000 people since december, that is a 33% increase from the previous six months and a 54% increase from the same time last year so when the president has said mexico is not doing enough they were doing something. >> well, of course they were doing something. look, there are two important things here. number one, the number of arrests at the u.s. southern
border, the number of people crossing the border, if you look at the graphic, right, it is a spike upwards in a way that is clearly alarming to president trump since he staked part of his presidency on the idea that he was going to be the guy getting tough on the border. instead, for a variety of complex reasons, he's the guy who's failed to control the border and that's the bottom line and you can, you know, obscure it with all the tweets and shouting you want in the world. you can point fingers and blame but donald trump came to office and he promised his voters that he was going to control the border. in fact, he's failed completely to do so and the number of arrests has gone up dramatically. so he does have a genuine political problem at this point, number one. number two, i do think this last week underscores the complete lack of anything like a normal policy process. the president announced this trade war and threat against mexico in a tweet right before he left for a week long european vacation essentially, cavorting with the queen of england,
speaking at a commemorative ceremony in normandy. and his only standards for this trade war and what mexico can do to avert it was he said they should stop all illegal immigration and illegal drugs coming into the united states. well, that's not exactly a very rational demand. >> yeah. >> so, you know, the whole thing was sort of a theater. >> i've got to ask you, while we have you, the truth about trump, michael d'antonio, was this bluffing, tough negotiation tactic, was it the art of the deal, what are we seeing here? >> first of all, there is no art of the deal. donald trump is notoriously bad negotiator, this myth about him making great deals. what he does is he proposes a thousand deals, makes two or three and declares himself a winner. in this case i think what susan observed was that he created this drama on monday or tuesday and then -- >> that only he could fix. >> that only he could fix. i swear they must have locked the mexican delegation in the state department to keep them
there for nine or ten hours and then fed them well and they all had a laugh and they let them out and they said well the problem was solved. there was no problem the beginning of the week to solve that was extraordinary. and now we just have this solution that nobody understands and that won't produce what the president actually promised which was a big beautiful wall that mexico would pay for. >> is this all about reelection? >> of course it is. of course it is. if he wants to negotiate give us that wall that mexico's going to pay for. >> i just wonder if it's -- you know, if this jobs report, charlie, 75,000, that's surprisingly low number of jobs added in may. do you think that that may have weighed on the president's decision to make a deal, maybe any deal here? >> i do. i mean, the jobs report clearly was not what anybody wanted and again i keep coming back to the state of texas. i can't imagine any state that would be more impacted by a trade war in mexico than texas.
and the president's poll numbers in texas are just not very good. biden defeating him there. so i think the broader issue, too, the president's trade policy clearly is having negative implications for economic growth, it's creating a sense of instability, and, you know, really, i think the president's greatest vulnerability on the economy is his own trade policy, or lack of one that's coherent. >> everybody stay with me. the president is lashing out at the house speaker in a big way, what's behind the sudden spike in vitriol. (paul) great.
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president trump ramping up attacks on house speaker nancy pelosi after she reportedly said he wants to see him in prison. back now charlie dent, susan glasser, michael d'antonio. the feud is really heating up. a few days ago she privately told her colleagues that she wanted to see the president in prison and now he is lashing out. here it is again. watch this. >> people like nancy pelosi that honestly they don't know what the hell they're talking about. nancy pelosi, i call her nervous
nap nancy. i think she's a disgrace. she's incapable of doing deals. she's a nasty, vindictive, horrible person. she's a disaster, angry. people like nancy pelosi who don't have what it takes. they don't know what's going on. they get angry. she's a terrible person and i'll tell you, her name, it's nervous nancy because she's a nervous wreck. >> i mean, honestly, that is some vitriol. where is that coming from? >> you know, i know it's been much commented on, don, but i just -- i can't get over the location and the venue and the timing for those comments and the level of, you know, personal animous being expressed, literally minutes before the president went up and spoke to an audience of veterans of the normandy invasion in a speech where he read off the teleprompter where he was praised on this network and other networks were being moat
presidential and statesman-like, literally minutes before he was making those comments about the speaker of the house. it's so -- of course he's permanently upset. what is he upset about? >> rarely at a loss of words, susan, and there you are. >> it's horrifying. i'm sorry. it's horrifying. >> yeah. >> right? >> yeah. michael, they used to have this cordial relationship. he's attacked her before but he's also said some nice things. let's watch this and then we'll talk about it. >> i would think speaker nancy pelosi and i give her a lot of credit. she works very hard and she's worked long and hard. i give her a great deal of credit for what she's done and what she's accomplished. i also believe that nancy and i can work together and get a lot of things done. i like her, can you believe it? i like nancy pelosi. she's tough and she's smart but she deserves to be speaker. >> i just want to start off by
congratulating nancy pelosi on being elected speaker of the house. it's a very, very great achievement. and hopefully we're going to work together and we're going to get lots of things done. >> so that was then. this is now. what is it about her that she really gets to the president? >> i think we should call him the petrified president now. she really has frightened him. this talk of prison, which is a thing that he threw around about hillary clinton hundreds of times has come back to bite him and i think it's very upsetting for him to hear that there's this kind of talk going on on capitol hill. now, of course, he has to come back and insult her and do it in this awful way, in this setting that -- where he really defiled sacred ground by going so low and then delivering this speech which as susan said was probably the best performance, presidential performance of his term in office. so she's obviously frightened him, i think impeachment
proceedings frighten him. the inquiry they're talking about terrifies him. this is a man who's frightened and lashing out. >> charlie, if the president really thought about this wouldn't he realize that at least in the short term that nancy pelosi is helping him by tamping down this impeachment talk? >> yeah, i think that's right, don. but you have to think of it this way though. i think that the president feels a bit threatened by nancy pelosi. she outmaneuvered him during the government shutdown. frankly it wasn't a very hard thing to do and the president, of course, if you notice how he launches into these attacks, this name calling, i think the president just is incapable of talking about policy in a substantive way so he'd rather talk about process and name calling and homonym attacks. it's easier for him to do that. so he's going to try to demonize her and congressional democrats and the election call them
socialists and of course he's also going to try to destroy his opponent, whoever that is. it's part of a political strategy. she threatens him, deny him what he wants and refuses to flatter him. that led up to this incident. >> so susan, how much of this fight is about needing a foil here because nancy pelosi is one of the people he pulls out when he needs a foil, you know, rolling up -- royaling up, i should say, his party ahead of the 2020 election. >> absolutely. i think that almost everything trump is doing at this point we should be looking at in a pretty explicitly political context. you know, the congressman is right, the president doesn't really engage in substantive policy debate or discussion and so he's rarely motivated by that in terms of his commentary. he's seen -- you've seen with the mexico trade war he can launch that out there and then it can be gone within a few days so one constant for him is needing not only a set of enemies at any given moment but, you know, a cast of characters
and an enemy foil over time. right, this is a show that is being constructed for us throughout the 2020 election. and so right now when there's a bewildering field of 23 democrats running against him, most of whom people don't know their names, it's much more useful for the president to elevate nancy pelosi as one particular enemy who will be a long running character on this show but, you know, it's -- i also want to say you did catch me at a loss of words that, you know, it's -- i think what it is that's so remarkable to me and that can get lost because here we are trying to impose our rational framework of analysis on something that fundamentally is more in the realm of psychology than it is in the realm of politics the thing that i think i'm responding is the fact that the president of the united states would never speak about our enemies and our national adversaries in a way he's speaking about public officials in the united states and that's the thing that is so striking about it. you've never heard him talk about any of our enemies in this
way. >> that's a really astute assessment there. i've got to ask you, michael, because the last time we heard, you know, he got this upset is when nancy pelosi used the word cover up and now the trigger word seems to be prison. do you think that's something he's actually worried about or he doesn't like her. >> i doesn't like this kind of talk. this was reserved for him. he was the tough guy. he was the one who would talk about people being traitors or treasonous. he's the one who talked about locking people up, investigating people and now the tables are turned a bit for him and there's another thing that i think is worth noting is that this president goes to the word disgrace and disgraceful when he's at a loss for actual criticisms of policy ideas. he's called the pope disgraceful. he's called the state of florida disgraceful, justice department, the fbi. just about all of the great institutions in america he's called disgraceful at one point or another. this is a man who's desperately trying to deflect attention from
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danger. >> i make no apologies for my last position and i make no apologies for what i'm about to say. i can't justify leaving millions of women without access to the care they need and the ability to exercise their constitutionally protected right. if i believe health care is a right as i do i can no longer support an amendment that makes that right dependent on someone's zip code. >> joining me now to discuss is senator kirsten gillibrand. thank you so much. she's at a pride event in des moines, iowa and we'll talk about that in a moment. i have to get your reaction to the -- good evening, by the way. i have to get your reaction to the vice president changing his mind multiple times on the hyde amendment before coming to say that he can't support it. what do you think, flip-flop or evolution? >> well, he was wrong and i'm glad that he listened. for me, as the presidential candidate and as president of the united states i would definitely repeal hyde but i would also codify roe v. wade
and i wouldn't appoint a justice or a judge who didn't believe it was precedent. i would make sure people have reproductive care, including abortion services. i've led on this issue for a long time and i will continue to do so. >> you said he changed his mind and candidates often do, people in positions of power or who hold positions of politics often do. you've changed your mind on issues too. >> yeah. >> you've been critical of the nra but they released a letter that you wrote to them in 2008 that you looked forward to working with them for many years in congress. what do you think, is that considered a flip-flop, or is that an evolution on your position? >> well, let me ask you, would you rather have a president like president trump who's never admitted they're wrong, never changed his mind and keeps doing the same old thing even if he's wrong or someone like me who has the humility and sense to admit when they're wrong and then be
for the right thing and then spend the last decade fighting for the right thing. >> well, listen, when you can admit that you're wrong i think that's very important and people should take note of that. as you said, the current person in the white house rarely, if ever, does that. let's talk more about preproductive rights. you said reproductive rights are human rights and they should be non-negotiable for democrats. abortion is a hugely divisive issue. could the argument be made that biden's previous position supporting hyde was more in line with americans' views on abortion funding? >> no. about 70% of americans overwhelmingly support roe v. wade as settled law and settled precedent and women's rights and the ability to access abortion services are basic human rights. they are civil rights. and it is what's necessary to have agency over your own body
and your health. women should always be able to decide when they're having children, how many they're having and under what circumstance they're having and for these male legislatures around the country in 30 states to try to undermine our reproductive freedom with the sole purpose of trying to upend roe and overturn roe v. wade it's an all out assault on women's reproductive freedom and our basic constitutional rights. >> two senior department officials told cnn today that the trump administration denied permission for multiple u.s. embassies to fly the rainbow flag. this comes after a pair of tweets from the president in support of pride. you're, again, as i mentioned here, you're at a pride event. what's your reaction to this story? >> it's bigoted and president trump has shown time and time again that he wants to divide america. he wants to divide us on every racial, religious, socioeconomic line he can find. he's demonized the vulnerable,
he punches down and he has demeaned our lgbtq community members, he has demeaned our transgender service members in our military. as president i will restore the rights of men and women to serve regardless of gender identity. i led the charge in repealing don't ask, don't tell to make sure lgbtq members could serve and not be denied based on who they love and i just announced a broad based agenda on making sure we have equality in america for lgbtq americans. >> taz you'as you're there at t pride event in des moines what does pride mean to you? >> it means being proud of who you are and who you love and being able to identify as exactly the person that you are. it's one of the reasons why, as president, i will make sure that if you would like to identify as an ex-gender on your federal ids, you can. i don't think that's a decision the state should be making. so pride is about being who you
are and loving who you love, love is brave. >> so let's talk about marijuana now, shall we, because you rolled out a plan this week to legalize marijuana nationwide, calling it a top priority for your presidency. why is it so important, senator? >> there's a couple of reasons. i believe that marijuana should be descheduled. it should be decriminalized and it should be legalized for recreational use and it's for a number of reasons. first for the patients in the country who need cannabis. our vets who have ptsd should be able to walk into any da and get access to marijuana to treat ptsd and other anxiety and chronic pain. the criminal justice issues are real, the facts that if you are a black or brown man in this country you are four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana possession than a white man. it's just not acceptable. and so my platform on making
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joe biden's about face he's a national co chairman off the biden campaign. thank you so much. before we get into this,ia were defending biden wednesday night with my colleague, chris cuomo. >> he is a deeply relujs man and hays rr guided by his faith and his position on the hide amendment has been consistent. >> barely 24 hours after that, you said biden announcing that he is changing his position. so what happened? >> well, also on that episode talking to chris i reaffirmed that he's a strong supporter off
roe verses wade and he's wrestling with this internally because now a meaningful right to choose is under attack everywhere from my home state of louisiana to georgia to other places. so when you look at the attacks on planned parenthood for example that will provide those types of procedures and services to especially poor women. so if you look at today's climate and sucircumstances i think it's a natural evolution and it eshos that he listens. he doesn't think he's always right. but that he will change when the climate changes and he needs adjust. he's a strong supporter off roe v. wade. he took down justice robert
burke because of his views as opposition to roe v. wade. >> and same-sex marriage rights and helped the former president do that as well. i understand. but that aside what joe biden's appeal how to marecamerican peos they believe and need a steady hand. he could be that steady hand come 2020. does that dash him changing his mind on issues like the hyde amendment, does he contradict that? >> no. i think the thing people want. one is a steady hand and two they want authenticity. and people who watched him deliver his statement yesterday
could tell that it was from the heart and that he is deeply troubled by the assault on women's rights to choose. and so a leader dash i think it's a real profile incurage. he had to change a position he's held for the last 40 years. for those people that want to eliminate the hyde amendment, first off all we have to win back the senate. and what helps us win back the senate is vice president biden's nomination as the it president noman. he'll 12 points up in north carolina over donald trump. >> it's early on. i got a lotf of questions i want to askia. i want to ask you about simone sanders. she confronted biden, telling
him he was missing how much this effected poor women and women of color. the question is shouldn't he have known that? >> simone is a great senior advisor for the campaign. she always speaks her mind. this is something he was wrestling with befer the conversation with her. i spent all day with him in atlanta. and first thing that morning he expressed to me that he was wrestling with this and thing husband changed so much that he thinks this lim aits a woman's right to choose. >> largely republican-led states enacted strict new abortion laws. do you think joe biden is finding it difficult to be a centerist? in the democratic party where the base is -- appears to be moving further to the left?
>> no, i don't think this had much to do with the base or the left? i think this had a throughout do with his right to choose. i think he is very consistent on everything else and willall was be the same person he was when he was a senator. and this is real a consistent, i believe, with his formal position. >> always appreciate your time. i am jealous you get to be in new orleans but hopefully i'll get there to see you guys. >> we lost two great people. one, dr. john. and so we are a city that is mourning but we are happy that we had both of them to make new orleans and the country a better place. >> i'm glad you brought that up. yes, i agree with you. have a good weekend. the president announcing he has made a deal with co and won't follow through. ♪ when you get right down to it...